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RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

the herptile master — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:13:31 GMT

I have made a few sighns and signing pappers to get more peope on our side. T

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

danceswithsavs — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:06:08 GMT

most people are not capable of controlling the weather -
BAN WEATHER!
oh.... lol... i guess taxing it will do...

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

danceswithsavs — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:04:56 GMT

TEH HORROR!
http://www.struckbylightning.org/
[quote]In 2008 there were 329 people struck in the USA, with 302 injured and 27 killed. 74 (7 killed) were under trees, 29 in yards, 16 (3) on the beach, 12 (2) in the water and 10 (1) camping in or near tents.

27 Fatalities: All were outside, 22 males & 5 females. One child (6 years old), 7 teens and 19 adults.

302 Injuries: There were 176 adults, 62 teens and 15 children injured, 201 males and 60 females. 184 were outside and 13 were inside. The busiest day was Wednesday, July 23 with 7 incidents injuring 10 people. [/quote]

TREES AGAIN, SEE!

They were outdoors- BAN OUTDOORS!

There were teens and chidren! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

BAN JULY 23!!!

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

danceswithsavs — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:57:51 GMT

Central Park horror leaves Google engineer Blair-Goldensohn in coma

A Google genius was in a coma Wednesday night after a rotting branch snapped off a tree in Central Park and smashed him in the head.

Doctors performed a procedure to relieve swelling and put him on a ventilator to help him breathe because his lung was damaged by the branch.

"You take your chances no matter where you go in the park," said John May, 48, a computer analyst. "You can't live under a rock - everywhere in the park there is a tree!"

NOOOOO
BAN TREES!!!!!
THROW THE LANDSCAPERS UNDER THE BUS!

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

mbmosley — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:29:11 GMT

I am aware that their are very few deaths from pythons. The fact of the matter is they CAN kill people. It is a huge difference when a dog kills a child and when a snake kills a child, to the media at least. You are forgetting that we are the "weirdos" here. Snakes are gross, dangerous, and shouldn't be kept as pets anyway; Dogs are cute, cuddly, and love people. You can tell people like dogs more when they say things like "well it was the master's fault for training him that way" after a pit bull mauls a toddler. When a Burm kills a toddler, they say things like "it shouldn't have been a pet in the first place".

Moral of the story, people hate snakes and we have to take away one of the reasons they hate them if we want to go anywhere with this hobby.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

Sinkarnate — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:32:12 GMT

A similar rule is already in place for hots in Florida and with the ROC permit now a lot of people wont bother to go through and pay the fees and when they do they are forced to research and realize the snake gets 20+ ft.
and deaths from snakes are not nearly as common as you think apparently
There have been only 12 deaths from pythons in the last 20 years. more people are injured by "tame" pet dogs and captive deer than they are by any reptile.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

mbmosley — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:45:20 GMT

I'm not talking about the small breeders who truly have an interest in the species. I'm talking about the big business breeders (no names) who produce way more than they should. Granted, burms have massive clutches at once, but they still breed the animals way more than they should.

The problem with your argument about burm breeders are not the only irresponsible breeders out there is irrelevant. Its like comparing an irresponsible (or illegal) gun dealer to an irresponsible candy store owner. Burms can kill, leos can not...

My solution to the big snake problem,

My brother's friend is a falconer. For those of you who don't know what that is, its where a hunter uses an either wild caught or captive breed raptor (bird of prey) to hunt. He lets it loose, it catches a rabbit or squirrel or something, and then brings it back to the human who trades it for an already cleaned piece of meat.

But anyway, it takes a LONG time to become a falconer. First, you have to take a written exam, to see if your qualified. Then, you have to be a more experienced falconer's apprentice for two years before you can have your own bird by yourself. After that, you can only keep certain species (ex. red tailed hawk). After a length of time, you can move on to more rare species, (ex. peregrine falcon).

These rules are to protect the species. If you do something similar to the Big 5 and hots, then the number of pet snake related deaths will plummet down because no more idiots who want a "cool" snake will care enough to go through several years of training. Then the "big business breeders" will stop producing as many because the demand is not as, well, demanding.

This could be controlled by the government (preferably state government with each state varying a bit), but it would be safer for the reptile community to make an organization, with registered breeders, vendors, and animals. If a breeder/vendor is not registered, they didn't meet the standards and are not going to get any business. If you aren't willing to go through the pains to get the animal, you can't get it.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

Sinkarnate — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:01:42 GMT

And how many burm breeders do you know? Because the ones I know will not sell to anyone who doesn't know what they are doing and can't care for it properly. It's the whole salers who supply pet stores that are causing the problem, people who don't care for the snakes at all anyways. That goes for iguana, boa, and leopard gecko farmers as well. Burm whole salers are not the only irresponsible breeders out there and -aside from leopard geckos- none of those species mentioned should be carried in pet stores and available to the general ignorant public.
Why don't we blame the pet stores that carry them? It's just as much their fault for providing the animal and in a lot of cases selling them to minors. The blame is not all in the breeders and REAL breeders have done nothing to deserve that.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

mbmosley — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:49:01 GMT

There are tons of Burmese pythons in the U.S. Besides, most people are NOT capable of properly keeping one anyway. The numbers need to be reduced or greedy breeders will keep selling them to moron kids and even adults.

Quite frankly, Burm breeders needed to be thrown under the bus. They are the problem in the first place. Many people breed too many of them in one season and end up producing thousands of babies, to sell to who ever will buy, which is typically people who shouldn't.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

Sinkarnate — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:41:15 GMT

should be happy if your not a burm or afrock breeder.... This is a big win for USARK but a lot of big snake keepers feel they were thrown under the bus, they think this will still be an end to their hobby because they have no new blood or morphs coming in so eventually all burms and afrocks will end up being inbred.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

mbmosley — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:15:55 GMT

Its actually the same bill, but is limited to Burms and African Rocks. You should be happy at this. It will probably end up only stopping imported snakes (Burmese and African Rock pythons). Its still got a ways to go before it becomes a law anyway.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

the herptile master — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:03:27 GMT

Now look on the reptile news. Another ban has been passed. We are getting closer and closer to our hobbys doomsday. They cant pass the hr 669 but they will make something else in its place. Tomarrow i am taking to the streets. Im makeing anti-ban posters and posting them in my naborhood. Whats next BEARDED DRAGONS DEEMED TO DANGEROUS FOR A 4 YEAR OLD CHILD THEY WILLL BE BANNED TOO.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

ReptileChannel Moderator — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:16:51 GMT

This bill has been amended to only include the burmese python and african rock python and is moving forward:

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptile-news/2009/07/29/python-bill-hr2811-passes-amendments.aspx

R.M.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

ReptileChannel Moderator — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:06:26 GMT

We have the updated news release at the link below. It passed the subcommittee section today and will go to full committee tomorrow. It may be amended to only include a couple of python genera, but the implications of this bill are far-reaching. Please post the link below on any social networking sites and forums you frequent:

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptile-news/2009/07/27/python-ban-hr2811.aspx

R.M.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

mbmosley — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:31:05 GMT

[quote]the herptile master (7/27/2009)

As i said beofre, we need to step up our game. When i say this i am saying that just becouse one ban went away, that dose not mean that another equally crippling ban can be propossed.This is sick and stupid. The fact of the matter is that they look at all the bad point about herps. And why not ban dogs??? 26 people die from dog attacks every year and4.5 millionm are injerd. 800,000 need reconstructive surgery, sevrle dozen stitches and other medical treatments. and yet these people have not even thought about banning dogs. But when some kid provokes a snake into biteing her then they need ti be banned, killed, and skinned.

You know i was watching the news one day and i saw this polotition saying that they are going to skin the pythons when they are caought. The the interveiwer said thats all snakes are good for.

I have always said our most powerful tool is information and education. We need to get more people on our side. Becouse parents are being unnessesayly scared, they are passing that fear of all things herp onto them, and even the news people are on the opposing team.[/quote]

Nobody was doubting that another one would show up. There just isn't a whole lot to do about it when there isn't something to fight against at the time.

About the hunting of caught pythons, I'm all for it. Its a safe way to get rid of them, as they are a major threat to the ecosystem. It takes away a crutch for these bills to lean on. All you would need to do is put a bounty on them, like $50 a head or something. That way, your helping the economy too!

If you have a better solution, I would be interested to hear it.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

ReptileChannel Moderator — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:28:15 GMT

HR 2811 is the companion bill to S373, the article here on HR 2811 links to another article on S 373:

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptile-news/2009/07/27/python-ban-hr2811.aspx

R.M.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

Sorrak — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:20:01 GMT

Thankies for the info,I'll be sure to try and call.

RE: Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

the herptile master — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:50:12 GMT

You know i was watching the news one day and i saw this polotition saying that they are going to skin the pythons when they are caought. The the interveiwer said thats all snakes are good for.

I have always said our most powerful tool is information and education. We need to get more people on our side. Becouse parents are being unnessesayly scared, they are passing that fear of all things herp onto them, and even the news people are on the opposing team.

Another ban on ALL PYTHONS nation wide!

Sinkarnate — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:44:00 GMT

HR2811 if passed would Ban ALL Pythons Nationwide. Please Pass this on and call monday 7/27/09Share
Today at 7:52pm
There seems to be some confusion in the Reptile Nation about what is going on here. HR2811 if passed would Ban ALL Pythons Nationwide. This is NOT a Florida bill. It is in the US House of Representatives. This is NOT about Burmese Pythons. IT IS ABOUT ALL PYTHONS!... from Ball Pythons on up... ALL PYTHONS!!! If HR2811 passes the House and Senate as written, the trade in ALL PYTHONS IS OVER!!

Our only chance is to get the bill amended. It is going to get voted on in subcommittee on Tuesday and the full House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. If we are unable to get it amended it will include ALL PYTHONS!

USARK is calling on the entire Reptile nation to turn out for a MASSIVE calling day tomorrow, Monday July 27, 2009!!! If we fail, the ability to work with ANY Python will be devastated. Don't let this happen. We owe it to our children and future generations to be able to enjoy these animals! This is the most fantastic hobby and profession there is. DO NOT LET IT DIE!

Phone & Fax Campaign July 27, 2009: This is not a full list of the House Judiciary Committee. We will focus only on key members.

SCRIPT: My name is...... I want to register a NO on HR2811. If passed as written this bill will destroy thousands of families and small businesses. There is not a shred of scientific evidence to support banning all of the different species in the genus python. Not all pythons are the same. There are many different species. Please amend the bill to address only the IMPORT of the Burmese Python. Thank you for your consideration.

Sponsor and Key Members:

Congressman Kendrick Meek (D-FL), Sponsor
Washington DC: phone 202-225-4506; fax 202-226-0777
Miami: phone 305-690-5905; fax 305-690-5951

Congressman Tom Rooney (R-FL)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-5792; fax 202-225-3132
Punta Gorda: phone 941-575-9101; fax 941-575-9103

Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-3001; fax 202-225-5974
Boca Raton: phone 561-988-6302; fax 561-988-6423

Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-7931; fax 202-226-2052
Pembroke Pines: phone 954-437-3936; fax 954-437-4776

Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) Committee Chair
Washington DC: phone 202-225-5126; fax 202-225-0072
Detroit: phone 313-961-5670; fax 313-226-2085
EMAIL: john.conyers@mail.house.gov

Congressman Lamar Smith (R-TX) Ranking Member
Washington DC: phone 202-225-4236; fax 202-225-8628
San Antonio: phone 210-821-5024; fax 210-821-5947

Congressman Howard L. Berman (D-CA)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-4695; fax 202-225-3196
Van Nuys: phone 818-994-7200; fax 818-994-1050

Congressman Rick Boucher (D-VA)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-3861; fax 202-225-0442

Congressman Howard Coble (R-NC)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-3065; fax 202-225-8611
Greensboro: phone 336-333-5005; fax: 336-333-5048

Congressman Randy Forbes (R-VA)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-6365; fax 202-226-1170
Chesapeake: 757-382-0080; fax 757-382-0780

Congressman Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-4576; fax: 202-225-6328
Glendale: phone 623-776-7911; fax: 623-776-7832

Congressman Elton Gallegly (R-CA)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-5811; fax 202-225-1100
Thousand Oaks: phone 805-497-2224; Toll Free: (800) 423-0023; fax 805-497-0039

Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Washington DC: phone 202-225-5635
New York: phone 212-367-7350

CALL, CALL, CALL!!! Our Future Depends On It! Make an avalanche of calls and bury HR2811!

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