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RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

Steve 95 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:38:44 GMT

Depends on the herp. There are in some cases were getting a wild caught is the only option, and in most cases CB herps are sold too. I bought both my leo and ball python from a well trusted store that specializes in reptiles and fish.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

nagadragon — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:37:20 GMT

My cali king was wild-caught when he was about 1'. He is as sweet as can be, and no parasites. He has a unique reddish sheen to him, which I've never seen in any CB.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

opal — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:36:07 GMT

I love rufus beaked snakes! too bad they're slightly venomous. You should always buy captive bred. But for a find like that, wild is fine I guess. you just need to meet the reptile's (or any other animal's) needs.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

leogecko — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:56:48 GMT

If I was going out to get another herp, I would only get captive bred. If the herp I wanted was only available wild caught, I would choose something else. Wild caught herps often have parasites that can get out of control when the animal is put under stress. I also think that a wild caught would have a difficult time adjusting to cage life.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

damiens daddy ken — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:50:41 GMT

[/qoute]What makes you say that?
All animals know when they aren't free, even if they are born as captives and are used to it. they still know that there is more beyond their little box and it has been proven time and time again that wild animals KNOW they are no longer wild in that they have issues adjusting and sometimes don't make it EVEN IF the needs are met.
Being taken out of the wild and trapped in a space basically infinitely smaller than where they used to roam is incredibly stressful on all animals, reptiles included. which is why I would provide more space than is considered necessary for the type of animal with the most realistic set up I could manage.... to make it feel more secure and at home. they may not be "sad" but there is no doubt that a great deal of stress is endured...and many animals will die, very simply, from stress...and nothing else.[/quote]I agree I do think that animals know if they are free or not wether it depreeses them or not I think depends on the animal.Wild caught especially I think it does effect them.Now as far as my oppinion I don't personally like to get wild caught especially when most everything that I want is readily available in the trade.But I also understand we wouldn't be at that point if it wasn't for wild caught animals.Now if it is for the porpuse of trying to save a species then it is a different story I do agree that every effort should be made.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

Sinkarnate — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:06:13 GMT

[quote]mbmosley (10/26/2009)

Without wc animals, we wouldn't have herps in the first place. Snakes don't have a concept of captivity or freedom, so its not like they are going to be "sad."

It ensures the animal's survival, as far as death from predators and starvation go.

In some species it protects the species from extinction, such as crested geckos.

As long as you meet the animals needs, its fine to keep them.[/quote]

What makes you say that?
All animals know when they aren't free, even if they are born as captives and are used to it. they still know that there is more beyond their little box and it has been proven time and time again that wild animals KNOW they are no longer wild in that they have issues adjusting and sometimes don't make it EVEN IF the needs are met.
Being taken out of the wild and trapped in a space basically infinitely smaller than where they used to roam is incredibly stressful on all animals, reptiles included. which is why I would provide more space than is considered necessary for the type of animal with the most realistic set up I could manage.... to make it feel more secure and at home. they may not be "sad" but there is no doubt that a great deal of stress is endured...and many animals will die, very simply, from stress...and nothing else.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

GECKODUDE — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:23:13 GMT

I really think it depends like i really want an F2 leopard gecko from wild caught parents but for that to happen some have to be wild caught. I guess it just depends.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

mbmosley — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:46:24 GMT

Without wc animals, we wouldn't have herps in the first place. Snakes don't have a concept of captivity or freedom, so its not like they are going to be "sad."

It ensures the animal's survival, as far as death from predators and starvation go.

In some species it protects the species from extinction, such as crested geckos.

As long as you meet the animals needs, its fine to keep them.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

RabidReptile — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:34:33 GMT

I agree with Sinkarnate. It depends on the species.

I really would like another broad-headed skink, but you won't find them CB anywhere, and it's hard enough to find just a WC. They aren't endangered, so I don't have a problem with getting a WC.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

Sinkarnate — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:09:35 GMT

If the species i wanted was at least somewhat common in the pet trade as a captive bred then i would NEVER buy a wild caught.
Like a corn snake....why would you bother getting a wild caught? Or even a tiger rat snake...finding captive bred babies is hard but they ARE being bred so I'd rather not buy a wild caught....however one snake I REALLY want is Xenodermus javanicus and at this point in time there is no one breeding them in captivity and even finding them for sale as wild caught is extremely rare so these I would snatch up in an instant.
However, any snake that I did get as a wild caught I would do my best to provide the most naturalistic habitat I could. I have said before that snakes really don't seem to care much whether their set up is simple news paper or an elaborate vivarium, but I think this is entirely different for a wild caught snake and I think it will stress greatly in a very simple set up.

For example..I caught a corn snake once that I was going to keep and use in my educational talks but I made the mistake of putting it in a regular relatively simple set up that i keep my CB kings in (just the same type not the same cage lol) Within a week that corn snakes health plummeted even though temps and humidity were where they should have been and it had hides. It sat in it's water dish quite literally all day and developed some serious water blisters and other skin problems, was constantly rubbing and pushing on his nose (when not in the dish) and wouldn't even consider food even though it was pretty thin when I caught it. It's possible it was ill when I caught or infested with parasites or a number of other things but keeping it caged was clearly not helping and needless to say I released it where it was caught within the week.

RE: Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

Grant — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:04:40 GMT

The two wild caught reptiles (fire skink and long tailed grass lizards) I have owned both died very early. I wouldn't suggest it, unless it it a long term captive.

Wild Caught VS Captive Bred

Ratsnake — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:49:17 GMT

What does everyone think about wild caught herps? If a reptile that you wanted was a wild caught import would that stop you from buying it? I may be able to get a new snake after the new year. I want a rufous beaked, but they few I find on the internet are wild caught. I just don't like the idea of contributing to herps being taken out of the wild when there are so many captive bred available.