InstantForum.NET v4.1.2Reptiles Magazine Communityhttp://board.reptilechannel.com/forums@bowtieinc.comThu, 09 Feb 2012 11:29:14 GMT20http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxMost of the color morphs we produce would be more detrimental to that snakes life in the wild than almost any of the hybrids we produce. If your going by "natural" standards, that is. Hybrids do happen in the wild, carpondros are actually a possibility by nature as there is a small part of Australia where chondros live and it's possible that it could cross paths with a carpet. Other things are more of a stretch but given enough time and natural events anything can happen.<br>However I have said before and will say again...there is NOTHING natural about keeping snakes or any animal for that matter. Therefore there is NOTHING natural about the things we make from them. color morphs, selective breeding, hybriding, it is all the same thing. Human projects. not nature.Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:32:37 GMTSinkarnatehttp://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxHeres my simple opinion. Iwill speak no more on the subject after that.</P><P>My reasons that i'm a purist: The intergrades are so interbred (in carpets)that you can't hardly find a REAL pure anymore, or that they breed animals to animals that they would usually never come into contact with, Such as Carpondros, Burm X Ball, Ect. Ect. And morphs are not bad, they just get a little overboard with the ball pythons.<BR>Thank you and have a good EveningFri, 23 Oct 2009 16:39:59 GMTfred60655http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxThe point of this hobby, or any other hobby, is for our own enjoyment, so we can do whatever we want with the animals as long as it doesn't threaten the well being of the specimen.</P><P>You keep saying the word "natural." Are you against morphs? Could you catch a jungle x coastal integrade in Australia? Yes, you very well could. Could you catch a coastal jag? No.</P><P>Are you against selective breeding? A lemon yellow jungle is a very rare sight in the wild. The reason jcps are considered attractive snakes is due to selective breeding...Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:52:56 GMTmbmosleyhttp://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxEverything should stay pure. The reason for the hobby is to better understand these animals, Not to breed them to things that'll never meet for millennia. If you wanna get to plate tectonics and that stuff, Find a way to live forever, Than when they naturally meet get a W/C one that is NATURAL.Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:29:59 GMTfred60655http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxNot all hybrids are incapable of reproducing actually...in fact a lot of hybrid snakes are very capable of it and some hybrid projects are working on second or third generations now both from hybrid parents.<br>Carpondros and borneo bat eaters are some of my favorites!<br>As long as people label them for what they are it isn't a problem. I don't see why anyone hybridizing would play them down to be a pure animal anyways because hybrids generally sell for more.Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:31:12 GMTSinkarnatehttp://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxI have no problem with hybrids, but if people make to many there could be no pure animals left in, say 50 years for some species. So as long as there are some pure strains left, it is just fine with me. Only some are actually hybrids, because a hybrid is an animal incapable of reproducing.<img align="absmiddle" src="http://board.reptilechannel.com/Skins/Reptile/Images/EmotIcons/Wink.gif" border="0" title="Wink">Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:34:28 GMTleolizardhttp://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxThey've produced a lot of neat herps with hybridizing, and I don't see anything wrong with it.Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:45:20 GMTRabidReptilehttp://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxA couple other cool hybrids are the super ball (blood x ball) a carpondro (carpet x gtp) and the burm ball hybrid.Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:27:50 GMTMattD94http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxI have no probablem with hybrids I don't know why fred was making such a big deal about it.Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:05:46 GMTSteve 95http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxA carpall (carpet python x ball python)? They are pretty cool... The only ball python-like animal I would buy...Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:05:42 GMTmbmosleyhttp://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxHybrids are to cool! </P><P>see... Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:03:11 GMTmustang446http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxI have no problem with hybrids some of them are cool looking and a good amount of corn snake morphs were made by hybridizing.Corn snakes were the first snakes kept and are kind of what built the hobby to be what it is today.So, hybrids are not such a bad thing, if you dont like em then dont buy em.Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:57:41 GMTMattD94http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104712-8-1.aspxSo me, Sinkarnate, Fred, Mustang, and maybe a few others got in to a discussion on hybrids, integrades, and morphs. It was Mustang's thread, so I didn't want to hijack it. I figured it would be interesting, so I made my own thread about it.</P><P>Here is the debate so far. Please do not participate in the debate on the thread below!</P><P><A href="http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104497-8-1.aspx">http://board.reptilechannel.com/Topic104497-8-1.aspx</A></P><P>There you go. Please state your opinions in a reasonable, non aggressive manner. Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:49:42 GMTmbmosley