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RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

mustang446 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:52:27 GMT

A.M herps its not good to bring back a post from 2003

Okay?

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

fred60655 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:52:01 GMT

This topic is 6+ yrs old....

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

A.M herps — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:35:08 GMT

The difference is that a rattlesnake is in the corrodadae (please correct my spelling if it's wrong) family, and a coral snake is in the elapidae family.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:22:04 GMT

You guys are awesome! Good job on the trivia, you covered most of the points, the other stuff is arbitrary. Anyway, I'm really busy this week doing my fireworks shows!!! (Yeah my favorite season) So the next trivia will have to wait[V]. Anyway let me know if you have any ideas for the next trivia, I will entertain any of your ideas. Once again good job guys.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

burrowingboids — Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:34:04 GMT

Cobras build nests and rattlers just "deliver."

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

herp_kid7 — Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:59:27 GMT

I'm not too sure if this has been said already, but their striking patterns or positions seem to differ. The Rattlesnake winds up into the "S" position while the Cobra is more of a Lean- Back_Strike- And Strike Again snake. The King Cobra(not to get into specific species) is much larger than the Rattlesnake and usually more nutorious.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:36:33 GMT

Sorry you will need to download this first!
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Install this, its totally free, and then it will work.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

MoreliaGuy2001 — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:40:00 GMT

Thanks for the link, Atrox. It doesn't seem to work for me at the moment. I'll try again tomorrow morning.

Again, I have to say thanks for putting up with these questions because a lot of people find this stuff boring. I find it rather interesting though. I too, have found that there are severe flaws in today's thinking about evolution. I am a christian and I believe in the Good Lord, however, I have learned to be open minded and entertain all possibilities. I do rather enjoy poking holes in theories that have weak spots. I do believe that to certain degrees, all creatures on earth are related.

I have always known that Lachesis muta was a close relative to rattlesnakes, but until now, I haven't considered how close the relationship may be. I only wish I had the training and equipment to undergo an analysis of these taxonomic issues for myself rather than have to get information from pompous scientists who can't even agree with each other. As an amateur taxonomist, I can see quite a few similiarities between Croatalids and Lachesis. I'm sure any reasonable person could. However, I believe that taxonomists would have to study their DNA for further clues. Since I'm not able to access the file you provided, can you give me a summation of any DNA analysis done? If any that is...

You know...it alnost seems to me that we vastly underestimate nature. Perhaps we do. Nature is complex beyond true and complete understanding. We can't even approach that...but we sure can try!

-MG-

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:33:30 GMT

Morelia Guy, here's a paper that I found.
http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/zamudio/KZpapers_pdf/Lachesis.pdf
It's technical but I think that you have a big enough brain for it. If you have any questions, catch me on AIM @ asmathicsandwich, or just e-mail me.
Now I warn you to be careful, there is a lot of speculation in this paper in regard to "mutations" and this will appear mtDNA, this is the specualation of what loci holds what mutated allele's. Just read over it, it will help you understand why I get so pissed off at the evolutionists. They carelessly say things like this only proves a lead to this mutation. HUH? what? You can find this mess, in this paper. Don't get me wrong it has redeeming qualities! Good range maps, LOL. Sorry for ruining the trivia again, guys and gals. You all did well, and can post your questions if you like, I will try to answer them. Except K-dogs! J/K

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:43:52 GMT

Their relation is undeniable, as far as how its categorized well, you all know that I vehemently hate taxonomy. I stumbled on to this paper written in a taxonomy journal, while doing some research work in college that lumped the Lachesis in with Crotalus. It was called the evolution of rattlers or some such nonsense, that's why I made that statement. Some taxonomists push for the Lachesis to be grouped with Crotalus, while others want to divide Lachesis into 3 full species. This is based on DNA analysis...

Those were the days when I came up with my own thoughts on Evolution. The truth is right out there for you all to find.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

MoreliaGuy2001 — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:04:02 GMT

Seems that most of the people have named most of the main differences between rattlers and cobras. I'm posting to ask a question that greatly interests me. I am aware of Crotalus catalensis and its lack of a rattle. Also, I know that Bushmasters(Lachesis muta ) are closely related to the Croatalinae (excuse spelling), however I did not know that they were closely related enough to be considered a rattler that is lacking a rattle. Could you please further elaborate on this, Atrox?

-MG-

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Viper — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:20:48 GMT

The difference between cobras and rattlesnakes…well, for one, Cobras are the arch enemies of the G.I. Joes. I’m just kidding; *sigh* life with a ten year old brother teaches you many useless things.[^] Anyway, the difference between cobras and rattlesnakes is actually the way they have young. Cobras are mostly oviparous (egg-layers). But all species of Rattlesnakes are viviparous (live-bearers).

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

phlsnake2405 — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:38:30 GMT

i got one, cobras have the fixed front fangs while rattlers and other vipers have fangs that fold back when the mouth is closed and swing forward when open

BILLY M.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:47:42 GMT

Billy you sound pretty smart for a teenager, keep up the good work. Well guys we're still missing out on some major points! Let's see if we can find what they are.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

phlsnake2405 — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:09:09 GMT

i'm not making any theories, i'm only 15, im telling you what i know and i'm not trying to prove why evolution happens, i stated that they have developed a characteristic allowing them to hunt birds and i'm not a taxonomist but it has been classified as its own species, thats 1 way new species occur, genetic isolation. And I'm not trying to start an argument i understand that you know more than me im just sharing what i know.

BILLY M.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:43:40 GMT

Billy here's the problem with island populations, Gene Drift. This is essentially inbreeding to the Nth degree. I have argued with taxonomists on points like this 'til I'm blue, so I won't with you or anyone else. Look up gene drift and you may understand this phenomenon, but your theory sounds like Lamarcksism. Ex. Giraffes like the new growth on trees, so they stretch. Hence a long neck. Your ex. the snakes are climbing and sneaking up on nesting birds (this isn't a new behavior) so the rattle wouldn't be an asset, so its just lost. Yeah this whole ideaology sounded great when I was 5, but I'm older now.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

phlsnake2405 — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:38:29 GMT

rattlesnakes r live bearers and the genus sisturus consists of the pigmy rattlers and the massusagas right? the santa catelina island rattlesnake is Crotalus catalensis (forgive me if i mispelled it) also another subspecies from San Lorenzo Del Sur (Crotalus ruber lorenzoenzis) has populations with and with out rattles

BILLY M.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:34:11 GMT

RJ was describing, and doing quite well the displays that both use for defense. The growling I've read about. It's not actually able to be heard with the naked ear. It mystifies me as well. As far as rattless, rattlers. Well some snakes do exhibit smaller ones, but then again there are two genus of Rattlers, the Sisturus (tiny bells), and Crotalus, can't quite remember the translation, but bells are in there. If you guys look at the breeding behaviors, and modes there are major differences.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Snake Boy — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:02:19 GMT

RJ, king cobras use sound to. They make a low pitched growl, but we don't know what it's used for yet.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

phlsnake2405 — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:44:14 GMT

sorry if i was incorrect,(i'm a beginner i hope to learn something new) could you please inform me more on the venoms. any info would b great, thanks also what about the santa catalina island rattle snake (the rattleless rattlesnake) which i believe is a subspecies of the red diamond rattlesnake. Adding to rattlers not being strictly ambush predators it's become smaller and more slender to hunt sleeping birds at night, a rattle would only b a disadvantage but there are also 9 other species in the area all having rattles. correct me if im wrong

BILLY M.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:05:02 GMT

Winged Wolf sorry to come across that way, welcome aboard. The trivia is a fun way for people to learn, sorry if you don't agree, I'm not going to stop though.
Anyway to explain the fault in your posting.
Rattlesnakes like any snake are oppurtunistic (recorded, having eaten animals found dead, that they didn't kill) but to call a rattler an ambush hunter is wrong. Many species have been tracked hunting up to 3 miles a night, hardly an ambush. Also conclusive testing shows that Rattlers have excellent eyesight, the pits offer thermal vision (sensitive to within a 1/1000th of a degree). As far as Rattlers generally having pits, this is wrong also, they all do, ALL Pit Vipers do!
As far as the "mutant rattlers" without rattles, the only species thought to have "evolved" out of the rattle is Lachesis Muta (the silent bite) aka Bushmaster. Can you give me the study that was done on that? (I'm curious) I won't go there now! At any rate thanks for participating, to all of you, I see some good answers, but there are alot more differences!

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

WingedWolf — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:55:45 GMT

All righty, then....I guess I'll ignore what the folks who've worked with cobras have said about the differences between them and rattlers.

I thought the trivia quiz notion was a bit silly, but decided to participate, as I'm new to the board. Sorry for posting too many answers.

--Winged Wolf
http://reptiles.thepsionguild.net

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Snake_Gecko_Dude — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:48:26 GMT

Rattle Snakes are a new world species. Cobras are from the old world.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:31:53 GMT

Hey man granted you must think that you have a wealth of knowledge to share, that's cool. But what you didn't glean was that I asked for one answer only. I hope the rest of you follow this out of respect, and also please try to post new answers each time, repeating what has been said already is kinda lame.

Winged Wolf you're incorrect unfortunately, man I hate to be a jerk but you guys should stop watching t.v. and start reading or field herping. Rattlers are unpredictable, but Cobra's are too, that's just how it is. Cobra's can only strike straight out with whatever they have raised, I can understand how you would say that, that makes them predictable, but it doesn't.

Guys there are really big things that you're leaving out.
Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

WingedWolf — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:23:57 GMT

Rattlesnakes are quick in a short range, but somewhat unpredictable in their movements.
Cobras are a bit more predictable, but have a much longer reach. (as far as strike ranges are concerned).

Rattlers generally have heat-sensitive pits in their faces to help them detect prey, whereas cobras rely more on their eyesight. Cobras tend to be more active hunters, while rattlers tend to be ambush hunters.

Of course, rattlesnakes have rattles...however a few mutants have been born without them, and in some areas they are becoming the dominant population, because people have been killing the rattlesnakes--snakes that give warning are easier to find. So be careful. <g>

--Winged Wolf
http://reptiles.thepsionguild.net

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

rjward97 — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:11:28 GMT

Rattlers use sound by rattling to deter would-be predators, while cobras use size by opening hoods and holding the head high.

Roxanne

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:57:12 GMT

Well I will ask that you don't get into the venoms, the LD50's or any of that, and not to be rude but you're already wrong on what you said. They have found Atrox with multiple types of venom. Although the Mojave does have the an interesting cocktail of effects.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

phlsnake2405 — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:16:09 GMT

Rattlesnakes have mainly hemotoxic venom although there r exceptions like the mojave which have a combination of i think about 70% hemo and 30%neurotoxic venom.

BILLY M.

RE: It's trivia time again!!!!

Snake_Gecko_Dude — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:38:07 GMT

Rattler's are pit vipers cobras are elapids.

It's trivia time again!!!!

Atrox — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:28:40 GMT

I know, I know, its been too long. Well I have alot going on, at any rate. With the topic of Rattlesnakes on my mind let's do one with them involved.

O.K. now what are the differences between a Rattlesnake, and a Cobra. (I know this is generic, but it's to get the new people involved so be quiet, if you don't like it)
Please limit yourself as always to one answer, thank you.
Please think hard there should be some good answers here.

Caught my first snake (blue racer) at 3, been hooked since!