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| Good stuff guys, I don't think herps get stressed from too much room. it's lack of cover. I do lots of research and see a lot of the same stuff. Example:The red eye tree frog (Agalychnis callidryas) is said to be kept in a 10tall...Seriously? This rainforest tree frog deserves better, i feel a 20tall and bigger is minimum We can discuss the sizes of herps but it all comes down to this: people want something and they want for little money and they want in a small space, they would rather show off a herp in a as small as tank possible according the petstore than make it comfartable. the tank is their life they are staying there almost forever, we should make it as good as possible
My Herps 1.2.0 fire belly toads: Bombina Orientalis pair, one Bombina Bombina Coming: Jan. 30-31 2010 a pair of blue D. auratus poison dart frogs vote for Cricket at: http://www.reptilechannel.com/blog/viewbio.aspx?apid=117170 post replies there
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Yeah, theres no such thing as to large when these animals are not considered domestic, in the wild there would be no walls or boundaries and they would make their own territory. Some may argue that this means we should provide a mile long habitat for a corn snake but all you really need to look at is the behavior of the animal. The more active an animal is the more they need to enrich their minds. macaws, for example... They need a lot of interaction and stuff to play with and destroy, if they get bored they get depressed and usually harm themselves. snakes on the other hand are pretty chill and are happy to just sit and wait for days on end. As long as you meet the needs, minimum isn't necessarily bad...
I will say though that a hide and newspaper might have some psychological effects on an animal, we may not notice any outter effects but such a bland environment might be boring even to a snake. I always try to provide at least some semblence of the natural world, with substrate and a fake plant at the least.
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| Colubrid snakes being lazy captives is only true in my experience when kept at low temps and by low temps i mean being kept with a temp gradient of 85F-70F like most care sheets and keepers recommend or worse yet in heated rooms set to 82F. You would be surprised how active a colubrid snake like a Corn can be when given a large enclosure with a wide temp gradient. A Cornsnake in a rack or 20gal tank that is never allowed to get any hotter then 82F-85F is a lazy, nonactive captive that is never running in anything more then "first gear". Snakes kept that way feed once a week and dont show much behaviors and maybe lays a clutch of eggs a year with marginal fertility. Now a Corn in a 55gal. with access to temps of 70F on the cool side all the way up to a basking surface temp of 105F will be able to run on "all gears" and will feed daily (like every other day)and will show its FULL RANGE of behaviors and multi clutch on the regular. As long as you meet the needs, minimum isn't necessarily bad...
................. What about the QUALITY of life? Just meeting basic biological needs (minimums) pays no attention to this area. We should care about more about our captives then just keeping a heart beat. The quality of life that captive enjoys should be our(the keepers) first priority. If one can only provide the minimums to sustain life then one shouldnt own a pet i.m.o.
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| Since 2006 I have taken in over 60 reptiles. It is appalling to me that 98% of people who purchase a reptile feel that you can take home ANYTHING throw it in a 10 gallon aquarium and feed it when you remember to. I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars, of my own money(I am not a nonprofit, my community won't support a reptile rescue) to ensure that other people's throw away pets have the best on the market. I do cut corners by using donated bird and rodent cages. Useing less expensive dog, food and water bowls and shopping for the best deals on bulk reptile food. I also try to order larger quantities of UV bulbs, vitamins and heat mats at one time to cut shipping costs. But they get the best I can find. I have rehabilitated animals that even my vet said had little chance of survival. Money has less value than a life to me, especially a life lived well. The rewards are immense.
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| Bigger is always better, books usually give "minimum" or "at least" sizes, but bigger is better. Just think that there is no minum space or supplies in nature.
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