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I wasn't saying that you need to look out for toxocara parasites infecting your reptiles I was using it as an example of what happens when a parasite gets into an animal it isn't supposed to be in.
I don't understand why you would use so many potentially harmful items in your captive bred animals cages where there are plenty of substrates, cage decor, climbing branches etc available in pet stores, hobby stores, or even garden stores (although in a lot of cases I sterilize those as well just not as thoroughly). So perhaps you have been lucky, or you simply haven't noticed some things that may be affecting your animals. Even if it is as simple as cutting a few years off the life span but not affecting it in any other way it is still a problem.
Optimum health is not guaranteed when using things from the wild without sterilizing them, and why bother taking an animal from the wild for our own selfish reasons if we are not at least going to provide them with the absolute best health we can?
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| My pets are way to expensive to take any chance of bringing ANY bugs into there enclosures. If you want to a chance of bringing a nest of ants etc. to your pet & they warm up & eat them all night then that is up to you, I would never. Why not be safe. Every article or book I have read agrees with ME.
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| LOL. You people must live in bubbles. The problems you speak of occure only in books and care sheets. Now instead of just saying "this causes that" and repeating things you read or heard are problems step up and offer proof. Ill start. this pic was taken in 2000 
now this one is from about a week ago 
If your info was correct then they should not be here healthly reproducing at almost 9 years of age each. So please show some proof. Show a reptile that contracted a sickness from being housed on non sterilized wood and dirt.
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| I'm going to agree with JS on this one. If he's been doing this for almost 20 years with no problems, then thats good evidence. I know of plenty of monitor keepers who have similar setups and have never had problems. There is no proof that cage decor from outside needs to be sterilized. Where is the data that shows that cage decor brought in from the outside makes pet reptiles sick? Someone please show me some. It's People who disagree always cop out with the "your just lucky" line. Come on people, reptiles are not that fragile. Sinkarnate mentioned store bought substrates and cage furniture. Guess what? They are a ripoff. $20 for a piece of wood? The only cage furnishings I will buy is cork bark flats and tubes because they are sold by the pound and aspen. Any cage furnishings that I use from petstores I already pruchased years ago. I refuse to pay those prices. I've been using rocks from my yard and all I do is run then them under hot water and scrub them to get the dirt off.
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The funny thing is that if all this was true there would be no wild reptiles left. The germs in the dirt would have killed them all.  Every article or book I have read agrees with ME. Well that may very well be true but plenty of accomplished keepers agree with me. HAHAHA! lol
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| Okay guys, everyone has voiced their opinions. It isn't about who is right or wrong, not everything is black and white. Just let leogecko "pick her poison," so to speak. Good luck with the gecko enclosure leogecko! 
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(Tangerine Tornado), named Esmerelda
(Rainwater Patternless Albino), named Kiwi
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(?), named Maria rescued
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Okay guys, everyone has voiced their opinions. It isn't about who is right or wrong, not everything is black and white. Just let leogecko "pick her poison," so to speak. Good luck with the gecko enclosure leogecko! Whats wrong with a good natured debate on a controversial subject by people with opposing views? Scared of the mods? This is a very good topic and I see no reason to end the debate. This is when people learn. Do you have anything useful to add to the subject?
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If you haven't noticed wild reptiles (and most other wild animals) do not live NEARLY as long in the wild as they do in captivity. You need to start reading what I am writing rather than just seeing it.
I am not saying you NEED to buy from pet stores, I also mentioned hobby and garden stores where the materials are generally A LOT cheaper.
There are just to many possible things that could be on that little piece of wood or rock for me to want to put it, unwashed, into one of my baby's cages
Ants, or other carnivorous insects.
mosquitoes that might be chillin on it (that would not only be in the cage but then also in the house as a possible threat to everything else not just the reptiles! This may be a bit over reacting as things like malaria and west nile are not terribly common anymore but it's something I wont risk.)
small insects that the animal may eat that might be poisonous or carrying parasites (even if the parasites are not meant for that animal they can still cause devastating effects...in most cases it's when they AREN'T meant for the animal that they do actually have the worst effect.)
Spiders that may bite the animal if it feels threatened. Depending on the animal and the spider this could be fatal.
This isn't even counting the possibly harmful micro organism that may be inside the wood or clustered on a tiny piece of animal excrement....
Do I need to list more?
You have been successful without problems for some odd years, and thats great for you, maybe your lucky, maybe your not. Maybe i'm over protective... I am probably over protective. I just don't want to have any reason for my animals to get sick, no matter how slim the chance I don't want to risk it. As I already said, Why take them out of the wild if we are not going to do our best to make sure they are as healthy and happy as they can possibly be?
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[quote]jsinhardcore (10/30/2009)
[quote]sgtpepper0 (10/30/2009)
Okay guys, everyone has voiced their opinions. It isn't about who is right or wrong, not everything is black and white.
Just let leogecko "pick her poison," so to speak.
Good luck with the gecko enclosure leogecko! [/quote]
Whats wrong with a good natured debate ona controversial subject? Scared of the mods? This isa very good topic and i see no reason to end the debate. This is when people learn.[/quote]
Agreed, theres nothing hostile yet, we are just discussing the different ways we keep things.
I have said before and will say again.... Everyone has their own way of doing things and everyone thinks they are right.
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Once again your just stateing opinion and I asked for proof? And as far as reptiles surviving longer in captivity then in the wild, that the way its supposed to be but the reality is its not. On avarage the wild counter parts of our captives do much better and live longer. Plenty of studies back this up. Thats why you dont see keepers with 25 year old leos and 30 year old beardies. I do have an 18 year old almost 6 foot male Cornsnake though which is on par with the avarage life span of the species.
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