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Posted 6/18/2003 7:44:14 PM
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sorry if i was incorrect,(i'm a beginner i hope to learn something new) could you please inform me more on the venoms. any info would b great, thanks also what about the santa catalina island rattle snake (the rattleless rattlesnake) which i believe is a subspecies of the red diamond rattlesnake. Adding to rattlers not being strictly ambush predators it's become smaller and more slender to hunt sleeping birds at night, a rattle would only b a disadvantage but there are also 9 other species in the area all having rattles. correct me if im wrong

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Posted 6/18/2003 10:02:19 PM
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RJ, king cobras use sound to. They make a low pitched growl, but we don't know what it's used for yet.
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RJ was describing, and doing quite well the displays that both use for defense. The growling I've read about. It's not actually able to be heard with the naked ear. It mystifies me as well. As far as rattless, rattlers. Well some snakes do exhibit smaller ones, but then again there are two genus of Rattlers, the Sisturus (tiny bells), and Crotalus, can't quite remember the translation, but bells are in there. If you guys look at the breeding behaviors, and modes there are major differences.

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Posted 6/19/2003 7:38:29 AM
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rattlesnakes r live bearers and the genus sisturus consists of the pigmy rattlers and the massusagas right? the santa catelina island rattlesnake is Crotalus catalensis (forgive me if i mispelled it) also another subspecies from San Lorenzo Del Sur (Crotalus ruber lorenzoenzis) has populations with and with out rattles

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Billy here's the problem with island populations, Gene Drift. This is essentially inbreeding to the Nth degree. I have argued with taxonomists on points like this 'til I'm blue, so I won't with you or anyone else. Look up gene drift and you may understand this phenomenon, but your theory sounds like Lamarcksism. Ex. Giraffes like the new growth on trees, so they stretch. Hence a long neck. Your ex. the snakes are climbing and sneaking up on nesting birds (this isn't a new behavior) so the rattle wouldn't be an asset, so its just lost. Yeah this whole ideaology sounded great when I was 5, but I'm older now.

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Posted 6/19/2003 11:09:09 AM
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i'm not making any theories, i'm only 15, im telling you what i know and i'm not trying to prove why evolution happens, i stated that they have developed a characteristic allowing them to hunt birds and i'm not a taxonomist but it has been classified as its own species, thats 1 way new species occur, genetic isolation. And I'm not trying to start an argument i understand that you know more than me im just sharing what i know.

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Posted 6/19/2003 11:47:42 AM


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Billy you sound pretty smart for a teenager, keep up the good work. Well guys we're still missing out on some major points! Let's see if we can find what they are.

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Posted 6/19/2003 12:38:30 PM
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i got one, cobras have the fixed front fangs while rattlers and other vipers have fangs that fold back when the mouth is closed and swing forward when open

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The difference between cobras and rattlesnakes…well, for one, Cobras are the arch enemies of the G.I. Joes. I’m just kidding; *sigh* life with a ten year old brother teaches you many useless things.[^] Anyway, the difference between cobras and rattlesnakes is actually the way they have young. Cobras are mostly oviparous (egg-layers). But all species of Rattlesnakes are viviparous (live-bearers).
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Seems that most of the people have named most of the main differences between rattlers and cobras. I'm posting to ask a question that greatly interests me. I am aware of Crotalus catalensis and its lack of a rattle. Also, I know that Bushmasters(Lachesis muta ) are closely related to the Croatalinae (excuse spelling), however I did not know that they were closely related enough to be considered a rattler that is lacking a rattle. Could you please further elaborate on this, Atrox?

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