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The important thing to remember when starting a colony of mice and rats is to be patient. It takes several months to establish a successful breeding population. Each harem consists of one male and his 4 - 5 females. (One harem per cage) Having any more or less females in a harem is inefficient. Personally, I started with 2 harems. As the litters grow, the healthier females can be kept in separate cages and upon maturity become apart of their own new harems. I do not keep males unless I need a replacement male for a non-biologically related harem. Incest is not uncommon in rodents; although it is inefficient. If 2 mice that are related mate, they usually produce far less offspring than 2 unrelated mice. I have found that laboratory breeding cages are excellent temporary homes for expecting mothers. Some breeders spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars on breeding racks when this is not really necessary. Personally, I find that 10 gallon aquariums work wonderfully for each harem. They are easy to clean, provide adequate room and are inexpensive. What you do not want to do is buy the overpriced, showy plastic cages sold at pet stores. These cages are impossible to keep clean and they permeate the familiar rodent stench all too well. I use pine shavings that I buy in bulk from Walmart. ($6) The pine scent naturally covers up some of the odor and pine is also inexpensive. Cedar shavings are harmful and aspen is both pricey and odorless. I started using the recycled paper Carefresh bedding, but it only intensified the mice odor and was also costly. New shavings need to be added at minimum once a week.
You will also need a heavy food dish, water bottle and some sort of hide. If food is left on the cage floor it will become contaminated and possibly cause health problems. Hides are important for the mice to stay de-stressed. Hides do not need to be purchased. They can be easily made from milk-cartons, cereal boxes etc. However, if the hide is cardboard it will need to be thrown away and replaced at least once a week. I use cheap plastic hides I bought on clearance from the pet store. I simply wash them off once a week at the same time I schedule for cage cleanings.
Rodent blocks are the recommended food for feeder and breeder mice. With that said, they can be quite expensive if you are having 20lbs of it shipped to your house or are buying the 5lb bags at the pet store. Personally, I breed my own rodents to save money, not spend more money than I would on frozen “artic” mice. I have done pretty extensive research on rodents’ dietary requirements and I have discovered a cheaper way of feeding my breeders. I buy 50lbs of bird seed ($12) and mix this with 10lbs of squirrel food ($6) and 20lbs rabbit alfalfa pellets ($6). This mixture contains hay, sunflower seeds, millet and corn. Every other day, they are given some fresh fruits and vegetables that my family consumes anyway, so they are already in the house. Stale bread can also be a snack for rodents.
When a female is noticeably pregnant (you can tell from the sack-like protruding belly) remove her from the breeding cage and put her into her own cage. If you do not separate the pregnant female from the other mice, the odds are that they will kill the young. It is rare, but I have observed an instance where a birthing took place inside the harem cage and the newborns were being cleaned and kept warm by their father. Most other males would not have been so kind. If the male does not kill his own young the other females usually will. However, some mice are naturally kind and altruistic. I have had only 2 female mice so far that could be used as surrogates or teachers/wet nurses. Each individual mouse has a personality and it is important to observe their behavior before entrusting them with another’s children. A surrogates job is to give the new mother a chance to "take turns" with the litter. While one is nursing the other is usually resting, eating or drinking. As you can imagine the pups get quite big and fat while having a second mother. Surrogates can be used to nurse other litters for approximately 90 days after they themselves have a litter. At 90 days they need to become pregnant again in order to continue the production of milk.
The birthing cage may be smaller than the breeding cage but if the female believes it to be cramped she may cannibalize her litter. My females are typically moved to birthing cages 5-7 days before the birthing. I recommend starting out with at least 1 harem of mice and here’s why: young mothers or first time mothers (1 out of 5) have problems with their pregnancy. If both mother and young survive the birth the mother may sense something wrong with them (genetically) and choose to cannibalize them. The same concept occurs when an injured or genetically inferior mouse is added to a harem of healthy mice. They will usually gang up on the misfit and cannibalize him/her. Also, some mothers are paranoid about humans watching their nesting behavior and/or disturbing their nest both before and after birth. Therefore it is imperative that the mother be left alone the week of the birth and only disturbed for reasons of nourishment (feeding/watering.) Males/Females will nurse for approximately 4 weeks until they will need to go their separate ways. At this time the mother can be returned to her harem.
From my observations young female rats do not have the same problems as mice. It is only when the rat pups are weanlings and there is insufficient space will the rat mother sometimes kill her young. This can be diverted by gradually taking young away from her for your reptile’s consumption. Rat harems need a lot of room. I modified a large rabbit cage by wrapping it in chicken wire for one of my harems. Pet store large rat cages cost anywhere from $100 – $200. I recommend you make your own cage out of 2x4’s and chicken wire. Rabbit, ferret, chinchilla, mouse, hamster cages will not work for rats. Mice and hamster cages are too small and rabbit/ferret cage bars are too far apart. Remember that an adult rat can fit through a space as large as a quarter and an adult mouse can fit through a space as large as a dime! Weanling mice can fit through a space even smaller! This is another reason I prefer glass or plastic containers for mice.
All in all, you need to remember that these are irrational animals that will do strange things from time to time. Mice, both male and female, are very territorial. New females/males introduced to a harem will usually be maliciously attacked and sometimes even murdered. Males are not to be kept together or they will usually fight to the death. Again, rats do not seem to have the same social problems. However is it well known that rats do not do well alone. At the very least rats that are not in any harem should be kept in pairs. I do this for my juvenile rats waiting to become a part of a harem. Rats as well as mice are sexually mature at about 6 weeks of age. Breeding should be allowed at about 8 weeks of age to avoid complications. | One way to determine a mouse’s/rats gender before they are sexually mature is to compare the between their anus and genitals. Males have a much larger space than females between these two areas. Eventually, the male’s testicles will descend between this area. It is nearly impossible to tell gender of newborns. It is best to wait a week or two before determining gender. The same is true with rats only it seems more difficult to determine gender if you do not have rats of different genders to compare to one another. All rats have large spaces between genitals and anus only the males have an even larger space than females.
Rat/Mouse pregnancy = approximately 21 days
Any time after her birthing a doe (female) can be impregnated again by the male. Some breeders have a doe both pregnant and nursing but this causes extreme stress for the doe. It is my observation that the higher stressed the mother is, the smaller/weaker the offspring are. For some reason a litter may be born that is extremely small and barely alive. If the mother cannibalizes one, the odds are that she will cannibalize the rest and in my opinion it is best to cut your losses. Their is no need for the mother to become further stressed trying to nurse a lost cause. At this point I "call" the litter and feed them to my young kingnakes then freeze the extras for further meals.
Males will sometimes fail to mate if they are too overweight. The best thing to do with an overweight male is to temporarily replace him with what I call a "floater" male. A floater male does not have a designated harem, he is simply an extra sexually mature male that can mate with females who do not have a harem at the time or step in for another harem male. I have more than 5 females per harem but at any given time there are many females in birthing cages. If it so happens that all the harems are full (5 females, 1 male) the extra females can mate with the floater male. While the floater male is taking care of business, the other male needs to be on a strict diet and given lots of exercise on an exercise wheel before he may be returned to his harem.
Females may fail to mate if they are extremely underweight. Therefore I recommend the female be removed from the harem and given somewhat high-fat foods along with normal fiber and protein. Here are some good foods to give an underweight mouse: Avocado on bread or crackers Peanuts Almonds Sunflower seeds Low lactose cheese like Asiago or provolone Peanut butter spread on bread or crackers (If peanut butter is too thick the mouse may choke)
I started breeding rats when the mice could not catch up with my monitor's food demands. Mice take over 6 weeks to mature and in that time you must feed them, water them, have extra cages for them and ...smell them. I only breed mice for my young snakes now. Rats are far better to feed larger monitors because they take merely 1 1/2 - 2 weeks to become the size of an adult mouse. You do not need any extra cages for them beside the birthing cage and the mother does all the feeding (until 2 1/2 weeks of age when they start to nibble on whole foods.) My monitor Loki is 34" and currently eating 4 week old rats and only needs 1 - 2 per meal.

Keeping your rodents in a storage shed/loft/covered porch is more convenient (and less smelly)than inside your house. 
Laboratory Mice breeding cages can be purchased at Reptile shows for about $10 
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Rest in Peace Odin!!! Your life may have not meant anything to those that abused you; but you meant everything to me. You will be missed my little friend. 2.2 Savannah Monitors (Loki, Freya, Saga, Thor) 0.1 Albino California Kingsnake (Rin) 1.0 California Aberrant Kingsnake (Haku) 1.1 Three-toed Box Turtles (Bowser, Genba) 1.0 Red-Ear Slider (Iggy) 0.1 Snow Corn Snake (Sakura) 0.1 Sulcata Tortoise (Casca)
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Wooh.You know alot about your mice.If I ever get a Sav I'll come running to you.I really do want a sav though they are large enough to scare my Mom and Dad half to death.
Anoles are like icecream.They can be sweet but,will give you brain freeze with all their strange behaviors.  All is fair in love and war.-anonymous Click on the eggs to help them hatch! 



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To tell the truth the rodent breeding takes a lot of time and energy but at least you save a lot of money It is convenient to have a steady food source if you feed your carnivores twice a week like I do. Sadly irrational fear of large reptiles is extremely common. All you can do is educate people and show them that it is silly to be afraid of such amazing animals. I take every opportunity to bring my Savs to the pet store or even my sister's school where she teaches, to explain Savs, their situation in the wild, and how they are extremely intelligent creatures that can give both love and affection. Most people are extremely interested and comment "Well I never thought I'd get close to something like this or even be holding it!" Maybe one day soon Reptiles will not be discriminated against.
Rest in Peace Odin!!! Your life may have not meant anything to those that abused you; but you meant everything to me. You will be missed my little friend. 2.2 Savannah Monitors (Loki, Freya, Saga, Thor) 0.1 Albino California Kingsnake (Rin) 1.0 California Aberrant Kingsnake (Haku) 1.1 Three-toed Box Turtles (Bowser, Genba) 1.0 Red-Ear Slider (Iggy) 0.1 Snow Corn Snake (Sakura) 0.1 Sulcata Tortoise (Casca)
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I'd figure rodent breeding takes alot of money.It sounds hard but,fun.Same with herp breeding.
Anoles are like icecream.They can be sweet but,will give you brain freeze with all their strange behaviors.  All is fair in love and war.-anonymous Click on the eggs to help them hatch! 



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Well the trick is to start out small and work your way up to the amount of harems that will completely supply your food needs. Each 10 gallon was $10, water bottle $5, lid $7, 20lbs of shavings $6, $8/week for rodent food mix (supplies 10 adult rats, 20 - 30 adult mice.) All my reptiles, except my Sulcata, eat a rodent every now and then. Pinkies are good snack with protein for box turtles and they love them! The initial costs of breeding rodents may seem a lot, however the long term feeding of home grown is much less expensive than frozens. PetsMart sells 5 pinkies for $10 or 2 frozen adult mice for $10. That is insane. I know you can order them online at a price that is cheaper than the stores although you have to pay shipping... which really makes it almost as expensive. If you have a large reptile collection, breeding feeders is really the best way to go.
Rest in Peace Odin!!! Your life may have not meant anything to those that abused you; but you meant everything to me. You will be missed my little friend. 2.2 Savannah Monitors (Loki, Freya, Saga, Thor) 0.1 Albino California Kingsnake (Rin) 1.0 California Aberrant Kingsnake (Haku) 1.1 Three-toed Box Turtles (Bowser, Genba) 1.0 Red-Ear Slider (Iggy) 0.1 Snow Corn Snake (Sakura) 0.1 Sulcata Tortoise (Casca)
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I don't have any carnivores but,If I ever get a snake or Sav or Tokay,I'll make sre I contact you about the mice.
Anoles are like icecream.They can be sweet but,will give you brain freeze with all their strange behaviors.  All is fair in love and war.-anonymous Click on the eggs to help them hatch! 



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I would be more than glad to help you out. They may be breeders but I still consider them my pets You can also experiment with different color genes. I've even bred a couple pastel calico mice that are pretty intereting. I usually keep the unusual ones for next generation breeders or floater males.
Rest in Peace Odin!!! Your life may have not meant anything to those that abused you; but you meant everything to me. You will be missed my little friend. 2.2 Savannah Monitors (Loki, Freya, Saga, Thor) 0.1 Albino California Kingsnake (Rin) 1.0 California Aberrant Kingsnake (Haku) 1.1 Three-toed Box Turtles (Bowser, Genba) 1.0 Red-Ear Slider (Iggy) 0.1 Snow Corn Snake (Sakura) 0.1 Sulcata Tortoise (Casca)
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